SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Front and ICONIQ Capital — April 3, 2020


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Ep. 321: Anthony Kennada is the CMO @ Front, the startup that provides your team with better email so they can treat every customer like your only customer. To date, Front have raised over $138M from some leading names including Sequoia, Eric Yuan @ Zoom, Ryan and Jared Smith @ Qualtrics, Michael Cannon-Brookes and Jay Simmons @ Atlassian and Frederic Kerrest @ Okta to name a few. As for Anthony, prior to Front Anthony was the founding CMO at Gainsight where he and his team are credited with creating the Customer Success category. At Gainsight Anthony and the team developed a new playbook for B2B marketing that fueled the company’s growth from $0 to over $100M of ARR. If that was not enough, Anthony is also the author of Category Creation: How to Build a Brand that Customers, Employees, and Investors Will Love. The book debuted as a number one new release on Amazon.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Anthony made his way into the world of SaaS starting in the sales team at Box and how that led to his entering the world of marketing and creating the customer success category.
  • How does Anthony’s marketing playbook change when making the move from Gainsight with higher ACVs and longer sales cycles to Front with lowers ACVs and much higher volume? How does Anthony think about ABM today with Front given the lower ACVs? At what ticket size does ABM make sense?
  • How does Anthony feel about brand marketing? Why did Anthony and Front decide now was the right time to engage with billboards? How does Anthony think about data and tracking for brand marketing? Does Anthony believe that all marketing has to be tied to a number directly related to revenue?
  • How does Anthony see a changing relationship between customer success and marketing? How is marketing being pushed further into the realms of CS? What is the optimal relationship between CS and marketing? How does this compare to the relationship of sales and marketing more traditionally?  

Ep. 322: Many people make the false assumption that the path for a highly successful SaaS company is straight “up and to the right”. Of course, for those involved, the reality of the journey is characterized by a series of obstacles that must be navigated. Fmr. Shasta Ventures Doug Pepper will share the key challenges that were overcome to allow Marketo to become a $5B SaaS Category Leader in Marketing Automation.

This episode is sponsored by TaxJar.   SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Doug’s session at SaaStr Europa session.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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Ep. 319: May Habib is the Founder & CEO @ Qordoba, the platform that helps everyone at your company write with the same style, terminology and voice. To date, May has raised over $21M in funding with Qordoba from the likes of Upfront Ventures, Aspect Ventures, Bonfire Ventures and Michael Stoppelman to name a few. Before entering the world of SaaS, May was a vice president at one of the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds, where she was the first employee on the technology investment team, building a portfolio now worth over $20B. Before that, May started her career in the New York Office of Lehman Brothers raising capital for software companies.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How May made her way into the world of startups and SaaS from being a VP at one of the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East?
  • How does May think about and assess operational survival in times of such uncertainty? Why does this downturn feel so different to prior downturns? Operationally, what needs to fundamentally change about your processes?
  • How does May think about when is the right time to engage with preemptive burn cuts? Where does one look first in the organization when making these cuts? How does one structure those discussions? What is the right way to do it? What is the right way to communicate the cuts to the team, customers, and investors?
  • How does one keep the existing team’s spirits high when they have just seen many of their friends be released? What is the right way to manage those discussions? What can founders do to build unity in their team now everyone is WFH? What has worked well for the Qordoba team? Where do many go wrong here?  
Ep. 320: We’re obviously in a very unique situation today. The pace at which Corona is impacting us all right now is so fast, it’s hard to keep up. Today is different from other times but in SaaS. It will probably be like ’08-’09 downturn — just faster. Join Jason Lemkin, CEO and Founder of SaaStr, and Nick Mehta, CEO of Gainsight, as they take a look back at what happened to them as a SaaS vendor in ’08-’09, and what learnings you can leverage.   This episode is sponsored by TaxJar. SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Jason and Nick’s webinar “What We’re Doing Now. And How We Got Through ’08-’09.” You can find the full replay here.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Pilot and Doctolib — March 20, 2020


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Ep. 317: Rachel Hepworth is VP of Marketing @ Pilot, the startup that offers the best bookkeeping, tax and CFO services for growing businesses. To date they have raised over $58M from some of the best in the business including Index Ventures, John Collison, Paul English, Drew Houston, Frederic Kerrest, Diane Greene and more incredible names. As for Rachel, prior to joining Pilot, she saw the hyper-growth of Slack firsthand enjoying a couple of different roles including Head of Growth Marketing and then also Head of Self Service and Platform Marketing. Before Slack, Rachel spent 4 years at LinkedIn where she led the product marketing team for content experiences. Finally, before LinkedIn, Rachel spent close to 3 years at Climate Corporation, prior to their $1Bn exit to Monsanto.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Rachel made her way from marketing manager at Climate Corporation to VP of marketing at Pilot today? What were Rachel’s biggest takeaways from her time seeing the hyper-growth at Slack?
  • How does Rachel think about organic growth and inciting word of mouth today? How does Rachel think they can be more accurately tracked and measured? How does Rachel think about the optimal ratio of paid to organic in growth? Would Rachel agree in paid, your payback period doubles every $5M you spend?
  • With the rise of product-led growth, are we seeing a fundamental shift in the structure of sales and marketing? How does Rachel see marketing move ever close to the function of customer success today? What is the optimal way for customer success and marketing to work together?
  • How does Rachel think about the importance of getting in front of your customers? Why does Rachel believe that data tells you the what and customer conversations tell you the why? What is the right way to structure your customer conversations? Where do so many people go wrong here?  
Ep. 318: The first step in success with SMB clients is to recognize that it’s not a one size fits all scenario. Companies need a specialized approach for SMB accounts, different than the tactics used for Enterprise. Accel Partner Andrei Brasoveanu will sit down for a conversation with Agnes Bazin Doctolib on how to create a targeted and effective sales process tailor-made for SMB. This episode is sponsored by TaxJar.   SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Agnes’s session at SaaStr Europa 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Pipe and MessageBird — March 13, 2020


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Ep. 315: Harry Hurst is the Co-Founder & Co-CEO @ Pipe, the startup that gives you control of your cash flow by giving you access to the full annual value of your monthly subscriptions, upfront. This month they announced their $6M seed round led by David Saks @ Craft and joined by Fika, Weekend Fund, Naval Ravikant and WorkLife Ventures to name a few. Prior to Pipe, Harry co-founded Skurt raising over $11M in the process before being acquired by Fair.com. Harry has also angel invested in the likes of BreathePod and Try.com.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Harry made his way from the UK to founding one of Silicon Valley’s hottest SaaS startups with the founding of Pipe.
  • How does Harry think about when is the right time for a startup to raise VC funding? How does Harry stress test the alignment between the founder and the VC? Alternatively, when is the right time for a founder to take non-dilutive capital from Pipe instead?
  • Pipe’s lending model is so centered around churn prediction, what does their churn analysis look like at Pipe? How does Harry think about the right way to structure churn postmortems? Why does Harry believe investing in customer success is far more important than customer acquisition?
  • How does Harry think about the importance of brand for enterprise startups today? Do you have to invest in it from Day 1? What mistakes does Harry see many founders make when it comes to investing in their early brand?  

Ep. 316: The startup journey moves in waves—whether you’re ready or not. After finding funding and product/market fit, your next steps as a founder in the hypergrowth phase can determine the future of your company. Harry Stebbings of Stride.VC and Robert Vis of MessageBird will walk through lessons learned to survive hypergrowth and what will make a difference when it comes to scaling. Hear how to navigate fast growth and how to look ahead as you travel forward.

This episode is sponsored by TaxJar.   SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Robert’s session at SaaStr Europa 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr Podcasts for the Week: Lessons from the Best in Tech — March 6, 2020


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        Ep. 313: Today we deep dive into what startups can learn from the large SaaS incumbents of today. Sarah Varni: CMO @ Twilio on her biggest takeaways from her time at Salesforce. Erica Schultz: President of Field Operations @ Confluent on her biggest takeaways from her time at Oracle. Whitney Bouck: COO @ Hellosign on her biggest takeaways from her time at Box. Leyla Seka: Partner @ Operator Collective on her biggest takeaways from her time at Salesforce. Ryan Bonicci: CMO @ G2 on his biggest takeaways from his time at Salesforce. Ryan Barretto: SVP @ Sprout Social on his biggest takeaways from his time at Salesforce Tien Tzuo: Founder & CEO @ Zuora on his biggest takeaways from his time at Salesforce. Paul Albright: Board member @ Clarizen on his biggest takeaways from his time at SuccessFactors. Jaleh Rezai: Founder & CEO @ Mutiny on her biggest takeaways from her time at Gusto. Eugenio Pace: Founder & CEO @ Auth0 on his biggest takeaways from his time at Microsoft. Liat Bycel: VP @ Airtable on her biggest takeaways from her time at Twitter. Mark Goldberg: Partner @ Index on his biggest takeaways from his time at Dropbox. Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events!  

Ep. 314: According to a study from SiriusDecisions, the majority of buyers (81%) today make purchase decisions based on buying experience, over product or price. To meet buyers’ high expectations and manage the challenging sales landscape, companies must involve their entire organization in maturing the sales process- including after prospects sign on the dotted line. This session from Showpad CMO Theresa O’Neil will outline a practical approach to growing revenue and retention by aligning sales, marketing, and customer success.

  This episode is sponsored by TaxJar. SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Theresa’s session at SaaStr Europa 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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Theresa O’Neil Below, we’ve shared the transcript of episode 313. Continue reading "SaaStr Podcasts for the Week: Lessons from the Best in Tech — March 6, 2020"

SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Lucidchart and Wrike — February 28, 2020


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Ep. 311: Karl Sun is the Founder & CEO @ Lucidchart, a visual workspace that combines diagramming, data visualization, and collaboration to accelerate understanding and drive innovation. To date, Karl has raised $114M with Lucidchart from some of the best in the business including K9 Ventures, Meritech, Iconiq, GV and Kickstart in Utah. As for Karl, prior to founding the company he spent 6 years at Google in some fascinating roles including Head of Patents, Head of Business Development in China and running Google’s energy investments. As a result of his success, Karl was recently announced as EY’s Entrepreneur of the Year.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Karl made his way into the world of SaaS with the founding of Lucidchart having been Head of Business Development for Google in China and Head of Patents.
  • How does one know when we need to hire generalists vs specialists? How does this requirement change as the company scales? How does Karl fundamentally think about finding great talent and keeping top of funnel full? How does Karl think about working with recruiters? What works? What does not work?
  • Karl has been in every interview for every new hire for the first 6 years of the business, why? How does Karl think about doing this at scale? How does Karl structure the hiring process today? Why do they have a hiring committee? What does the process look like? How do they assess and test for culture?
  • How does Karl think about retaining agility and flexibility with scale? How does Karl maintain employee empowerment with the implementation of process? How does Karl think about the balance between creating accountability without a fear of failure? What are the challenges of this?  

Ep. 312: Starting a company can be daunting, exhausting, and expensive, but with the right focus and idea – extremely rewarding; take it from Andrew Filev, Founder and CEO of Wrike. In this session, he will outline the do’s and dont’s that he learned bootstrapping Wrike. Where it makes sense to invest your precious resources when to outsource, and how to save yourself money without cutting corners.

This episode is sponsored by Owl Labs.   SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Andrew’s session at SaaStr Europa 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Matrix Partners and EZPR — February 21, 2020


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Ep. 309: David Skok is a General Partner @ Matrix Partners, the firm with a portfolio including the likes of Hubspot, ZenDesk, Quora, CloudBees and more incredible companies. As for David, he started his first company in 1977 aged just 22. Since then David has founded a total of four separate companies and performed one turn-around. Three of these companies went public. David then joined Matrix from SilverStream Software, which he founded in June 1996. Prior to its July 2002 acquisition by Novell, SilverStream was a public company that had reached a revenue run rate in excess of $100M, with approximately 800 employees and offices in more than 20 countries around the world. David is also the author of foreentrepreneurs.com the must read blog in the world of SaaS metrics.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How David made his way into the world of SaaS at the age of 22. How David went from founding 3 public companies to entering the world of venture with Matrix. Does David agree, “entrepreneurship does not get easier with time, it just gets different”?
  • What does David believe is the crucial step missing in B2B when it comes to finding product market fit? What is the most common mistake B2B companies make in the hunt for PMF? How should founders think about budget and resource allocation in this search for PMF? When is to early to measure unit economics and CAC?
  • How does David think about scaling sales teams? How does one know when is the right time to hire your first sales reps? What content and learnings should you have in place when you make the hire? How does David think about payback period on a per rep basis? What have been his lessons on optimizing payback period for sales reps?
  • What numbers are David looking for when it comes to payback period? Why is 12 months so crucial? How should founders think about sales rep compensation? What have been David’s learnings on how to integrate sales and marketing so tightly? How does marketing and customer success intertwine to be successful?
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Ep. 310: SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin and EZPR Founder Ed Zitron sit down to talk about all things PR. Who actually gets into these outlets? Is PR just pitching and getting articles? Take a listen for more.

This episode is sponsored by Owl Labs.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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EZPR Below, we’ve shared the full transcript of Harry’s interview with David Skok or you can jump to the transcript of Jason’s interview with Ed. Continue reading "SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Matrix Partners and EZPR — February 21, 2020"

SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Mutiny and RevenueCat — February 14, 2020


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Ep. 307: Jaleh Rezaei is the Founder & CEO @ Mutiny, the startup that allows you to personalize your website for each and every visitor. Jaleh has raised from some of the best in the early stage business with Mutiny including the likes of Y Combinator, Uncork Capital and Cowboy Ventures on the fund side and then Mathilde @ Front, Henrique @ Brex and Shan-Lyn Ma @ Zola on the operator side. Prior to founding Mutiny, Jaleh spent an incredible 4 years at Gusto seeing their hypergrowth first hand as one of the first 10 employees. If that was not enough, Jaleh has also enjoyed advisory roles at both Google and Y Combinator.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Jaleh made her way into the world of SaaS as one of the first team members at Gusto and how that led to her founding Mutiny most recently?
  • What were Jaleh’s biggest takeaways from her time at Gusto? How did that time impact her operating mentality with Mutiny today? How did her time at Gusto teach her about the right way to build company culture? Where do so many go wrong with this?
  • What does Jaleh believe is the biggest problem in SaaS marketing today? How does Jaleh specifically use ABM to acquire customers and leads effectively? What price points is required for an ABM strategy to be viable?
  • How does Jaleh approach the issue of determining the success of marketing? Should marketing be held accountable to a number tied directly to revenue? How does brand marketing play into this? Where are the nuances here?  
Ep. 308: RevenueCat is managing tens of millions of dollars in mobile subscriptions and growing 20% a month. Most of us think a lot about standard b2b and Cloud subscriptions, but we’re still new to the issues, challenges and opportunities in mobile subscriptions. in this episode, RevenueCat CEO Jacob Eiting discusses managing millions in mobile subscriptions while growing 20% a month. This episode is sponsored by Owl Labs.   SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Jacob’s session at SaaStr Annual 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with B Capital Group and Bessemer Venture Partners — February 7, 2020


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Ep 305: Karen Page is a General Partner @ B Capital Group with a portfolio including the likes of Bird, Branch, Icertis, Evidation Health and Ninja Van to name a few. Prior to joining the world of venture, Karen was a Senior Director at Apple and before Apple, Karen spent an incredible 9 years at Box as a founding member of the executive team, where she was responsible for defining and leading Box’s Industry GTM strategy. Plus, from 2007 until 2013, Karen ran all of Box’s business development, partnership, and strategic alliance activities. If that was not enough, Karen is also on the board of some incredible companies including Deputy and Plastiq.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Karen made her way into the world of SaaS as one of the first employees at Box and then how that led to her transition to the world of investing with B Capital.
  • What were Karen’s biggest takeaways from seeing the hyper-scaling at Box? How did helping Aaron raise the Series B and onwards inform her view of what it takes to raise funding from the best SaaS investors? How does Karen think her mindset will shift when making the move from angel to now institutionally investing with B Capital?
  • When does Karen think is the right time for startups to think about partnerships? What questions should they ask in the “dating” phase of a potential partnership? What are the red flags? Does Karen agree that signing a massive partner too early can be dangerous? What does Karen recommend in terms of getting in front of the best CIOs?
  • Is Karen concerned by the compression of fundraising timelines? How does Karen meet entrepreneurs before they go out to raise? How does Karen advise founders when it comes to the question of whether they should always be raising or not?  

Ep 306: Join Bessemer Venture Partners’ Alex Ferrara as he takes a look at trends and predictions for the cloud industry in 2019. One of the most popular sessions from SaaStr Annual, this presentation will provide an in-depth look at the cloud computing industry across Europe and globally.

This episode is sponsored by Owl Labs.   SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Alex’s session at SaaStr Europa 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Auth0 and CircleCI — January 31, 2020


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Ep. 303: Eugenio Pace is the Founder & CEO @ Auth0, the startup that allows you to rapidly integrate authentication and authorization for web, mobile, and legacy applications so you can focus on your core business. To date, Eugenio has raised over $213m with Auth0 from some of the best in the business including Meritech, Sapphire, Manu Kumar @ K9, Bessemer and Trinity. Prior to founding Auth0, Eugenio spent an incredible 12 years at Microsoft leading the Program Management team in the patterns & practices group at Microsoft.

Pssst 🗣 Loving our podcast content? Listen to the start of the episode for a promo code to our upcoming events! In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
  • How Eugenio made his way into the world of startups with the founding of Auth0. What were his biggest takeaways from 12 years watching the hyper-growth of Microsoft first hand?
  • How does being a developer-first product fundamentally change the go-to-market? Who has done this best over the last few years? What have they done that has allowed them to scale faster than others? What has been Eugenio’s takeaways in what works when building developer communities and early developer adoption?
  • How does Eugenio respond to the common thinking that “devs don’t have the budget”? Does this limit your ability to expand into large ACVs once in an organisation? How does Eugenio approach the issue of agency when selling to CIOs but having devs use the product?
  • What have been Eugenio’s biggest lessons in what it takes to make a freemium product successful? How does one know how much of the secret sauce to giveaway? How does Eugenio approach pricing today through 4 different variables? How does Eugenio adopt a variable pricing mechanism that does not discourage usage?  

Ep. 304: If your SaaS business has a sales team, there’s no way to grow 100% year-over-year without also growing your sales leadership. In this talk, CircleCI VP of Revenue Jane Kim will talk about the 5 mistakes all new sales leaders make. Knowing the common pitfalls won’t stop you or your team from making them, but it will help build the most important skill any manager can have: resiliency. Come and learn how to build great leaders so you can grow your team, and ultimately, your business.

This episode is sponsored by Brex. This episode is sponsored by Brex.     SaaStr’s Founder’s Favorites Series features one of SaaStr’s best of the best sessions that you might have missed. This podcast is an excerpt from Jane’s session at SaaStr Europa 2019.   If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin
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CircleCI Below, we’ve shared the transcript of Harry’s interview with Eugenio. Continue reading "SaaStr Podcasts for the Week with Auth0 and CircleCI — January 31, 2020"